(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[U S Open Round 3 - 2008 US Go Congress  - Yue Zhang (8d) vs Xuefen Lin (1p)]PW[Yue Zhang ]PB[Xuefen Lin]WR[8d]BR[1p]DT[2008-08-05]EV[US Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Casey Alexander]C[goclown [11k\]: who are the players o.o
Faint31k [1d\]: the game's pair hasnt been announced
road2hell [5d\]: check the colors clown
road2hell [5d\]: just read...
EeqMCsq [?\]: they werent their
EeqMCsq [?\]: a min ago
EeqMCsq [?\]: i dont think
Sonica [1k\]: where can we see the results didn t find on website
USGO4 [-\]: Welcome to Round 3 of the US Open!
USGO4 [-\]:  We’re broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon
USGO4 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
USGO4 [-\]:  Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
USGO4 [-\]: The weeklong annual U.S. Go Congress is the biggest event on the North American calendar and features a number of tournaments – including the U.S. Open and North American Ing Masters (NAIM) – as well as lectures and simuls with more than a dozen professionals from the United States, Japan, China and Korea.
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;B[pd]C[USGO4 [-\]: Click here  http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/pairs-r2.html for the Round 2 pairings and here http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/42 for the results -- and game records – from the top boards. Photos of the top players in the Open and NAIM are also posted online http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/openplayers.html Click here http://www.usgo.org/congress/2008/staff.html to see the E-Journal Congress Team  The top 4 boards of today's US Open games are sta
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;W[de]
;B[dp]
;W[pq]
;B[po]
;W[qo]
;B[qn]
;W[qp]
;B[pm]
;W[on]
;B[pn]
;W[op]
;B[qg]C[USGO4 [-\]: Our broadcasting team today: Game Recorders: Chris Garlock (Board 1), Todd Heidenreich (Bd 2); Richard Dolen (Bd 3); Casey Alexander (Bd 4); Matthew Heymering (KGS admin); Steve Colburn (IT/back-up). 
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;W[dc]
;B[jc]
;W[cn]
;B[cl]
;W[en]
;B[fq]
;W[cj]
;B[co]
;W[bn]
;B[iq]
;W[hc]
;B[je]
;W[le]C[USGO4 [-\]:  Because of the interrupted Ing game last night, five players – including Mingjiu Jiang – will have to finish their games this afternoon after the US Open Round, then play Round 3 of the Ing tonight at 7P EST.
USGO4 [-\]: Welcome to Round 3 of the US Open!
USGO4 [-\]:  We’re broadcasting live from Portland, Oregon
USGO4 [-\]: The top boards are being broadcast live by the American Go E-Journal; go news from around the world, free every week via email; sign up at www.usgo.org
USGO4 [-\]: Time limits are 2 hours basic time, 5 periods of 30 seconds byo yomi.
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;B[lc]
;W[pj]
;B[ok]
;W[oj]
;B[nk]
;W[nj]
;B[mk]
;W[li]
;B[kj]
;W[og]
;B[jh]C[mate105 [2d\]: so quiet here :D
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;W[qh]
;B[qf]
;W[ri]
;B[el]C[USGO4 [-\]: About Xuefen Lin (1p):  Born on March 26, 1973, in China.   Resides currently in California.  Obtained 1 dan professional rank 1992.  Involved extensively in Go education in China from 1996 to 2000.  Moved to the USA in 2001 to join her husband.
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;W[hp]
;B[hq]
;W[ep]
;B[eq]
;W[cq]
;B[dq]
;W[gm]C[USGO4 [-\]:  Watch the top 4 boards LIVE on KGS now. Up to date photos and all congress updates on http:///www.usgo.org
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;B[gl]
;W[hl]
;B[gk]
;W[fm]
;B[ek]
;W[lj]
;B[kl]
;W[im]
;B[jn]
;W[jm]
;B[km]
;W[kn]
;B[ln]
;W[ko]
;B[lo]
;W[kp]
;B[lp]
;W[kq]
;B[lq]C[USGO4 [-\]: Yue Zhang has less than an hour of main time left...  Xuefen Lin has one hour, fifteen minutes.
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;W[jr]
;B[cg]
;W[bf]C[Nick8a [2k\]: go b
Nick8a [2k\]: p10 group looks weak
Nick8a [2k\]: left more urgent though
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;B[di]
;W[oo]
;B[om]
;W[bl]
;B[ec]C[Chris929 [14k\]: timecheck?
USGO4 [-\]: Yue Zhang has 38 minutes main time, Xuefen Lin has one hour seven minutes.
Chris929 [14k\]: thanks
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;W[ed]
;B[fc]
;W[db]
;B[gd]C[USGO4 [-\]: White has 36 minutes left, and black has 64.
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;W[bp]
;B[bo]
;W[ao]
;B[cr]
;W[br]
;B[cp]
;W[bq]C[Nick8a [2k\]: d6
]
;B[dr]
;W[cm]
;B[ip]
;W[lr]
;B[nq]
;W[io]
;B[ro]
;W[rp]
;B[rn]C[Advanced [1k\]: is it just me
Advanced [1k\]: or does b have a hueg lead
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;W[rr]
;B[rk]
;W[qk]
;B[pr]
;W[or]
;B[oq]
;W[pp]
;B[nr]
;W[qr]
;B[rj]
;W[rg]
;B[rf]
;W[rl]
;B[ql]C[Nick8a [2k\]: i dont think its just u
Nick8a [2k\]: like more like the game
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;W[qj]
;B[rm]
;W[sj]C[Nick8a [2k\]: looks*
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;B[oe]
;W[nf]C[Advanced [1k\]: b is going to do the seal moyo tsuji
Advanced [1k\]: and then white will resign
Advanced [1k\]: :D
Flamberge [2k\]: what's tsuji?
zeb [8k\]: somewhere around f13?
Flamberge [2k\]: no what does tsuji mean?
zeb [8k\]: tsuji = anything other than tesuji
]
;B[bs]C[zeb [8k\]: huh
zeb [8k\]: wait a minute.....
zeb [8k\]: this is ridiculous!
]
;W[mc]
;B[md]
;W[ld]TB[qm]C[USGO4 [-\]: White has 10 minutes remaining, black has 39
Confuse24 [3k\]: he should extend
Confuse24 [3k\]: 016
Confuse24 [3k\]: o16
zeb [8k\]: why not l17?
Confuse24 [3k\]: cause thats tesuji
zeb [8k\]: ???
Confuse24 [3k\]:  ok
Confuse24 [3k\]: so u said l17
zeb [8k\]: yes?
Confuse24 [3k\]: ok
Confuse24 [3k\]: l17 w 016
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;B[nd]C[Confuse24 [3k\]: o16*
]
;W[kc]C[Confuse24 [3k\]: see
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;B[lb]TB[qm]
;W[kb]
;B[mb]
;W[ic]TB[qm]C[zeb [8k\]: is this really a better result?
Confuse24 [3k\]: much
Confuse24 [3k\]: beter then what she would have gotten
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;B[jd]
;W[jb]
;B[hd]
(;W[ha])
(;W[kd]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]
;B[ff]
;W[sf]
;B[se]
;W[sg]
;B[rd]
;W[bg]
;B[ch]C[USGO4 [-\]: White has used one byo- yomi period.  Black has 30 minutes main time left.
Nick8a [2k\]: w leaading slightly
Nick8a [2k\]: according to se anyway
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;W[ji]C[zeb [8k\]: se isn't taking into account a lot of littles stuff
zeb [8k\]: like a4, t8, and p1
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;B[ih]C[IHateKGS [2d\]: p1 and t8 are miai
]
;W[hi]C[IHateKGS [2d\]: or close to
zeb [8k\]: so it should count at least one of them for black
lob: did anyone say se is perfect lol
HegedusI [10k\]: What about j10?
zeb [8k\]: what happened to the moyo :(
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;B[ii]
;W[hj]
;B[hk]
;W[ij]
;B[il]
;W[jj]
;B[hm]
;W[in]C[zeb [8k\]: l11 doesn't work?
danteVAM [5k\]: no
AlienFrog [5d\]: B J6 instead of H7 would be interesting :)
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;B[ck]C[HegedusI [10k\]: l11, wl9, l12, wk8 
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;W[bk]
;B[bi]
;W[bj]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: how about Bm12
AmyLouLou [9k\]: or m13..
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;B[hh]
;W[fi]C[danteVAM [5k\]: there is more important for B now
]
;B[gh]
;W[nb]
;B[nc]
;W[eg]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: what a mess
zeb [8k\]: looks like se just broke
AmyLouLou [9k\]: SE is high on mushrooms
carpenter [6k\]: SE: the use of analyzing chess programmes disturbs, some say destroys the viewer discussions during and after chess games, even discussions between strong grandmasters. 
Yanick [16k\]: USGO4 is gone O_O
AmyLouLou [9k\]: he's back now
USGO4 [-\]: Sorry, back now.
AmyLouLou [9k\]: e12
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;B[fh]
;W[ei]
;B[eh]
;W[dj]
;B[bh]
;W[ci]
;B[dh]C[zeb [8k\]: wat
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;W[ef]C[zeb [8k\]: no e10?
]
;B[jl]
;W[ej]
;B[kg]
;W[fe]
;B[ge]
;W[fg]
;B[gf]C[Meepy [-\]: so, what's the over-under on this game?
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;W[ma]
;B[la]
;W[kf]
;B[jf]
;W[kh]
;B[lf]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: huh
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;W[ke]
;B[lh]
;W[ki]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: n12
Nano [3k\]: isnt that rly bad?
AmyLouLou [9k\]: or n14
zeb [8k\]: or n15 :)
]
;B[gb]
;W[hb]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: going for the kill
Nano [3k\]: I think white would actually live if b cut it iff
Nano [3k\]: off*
]
;B[eb]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: ?
AmyLouLou [9k\]: w can live cut off
AmyLouLou [9k\]: needs l19
AmyLouLou [9k\]: j19
fairgo1 [10k\]: n15 and that white group lives
]
;W[fa]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: yes =)
fairgo1 [10k\]: then why doesn't white play it before black does?
]
;B[ga]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: white will live
zeb [8k\]: maybe he likes to live on the edge
AmyLouLou [9k\]: b needs to be careful up here
zeb [8k\]: or even over the edge
USGO4 [-\]: White: 3 byo yomi left.  Black: 2 minutes main time left.
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;W[ea]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: 30 or 60 seconds?
danteVAM [5k\]: white is alive 
USGO4 [-\]: 30
Meepy [-\]: f18 now?
danteVAM [5k\]: in any case
]
;B[me]C[skill1 [5k\]: n15?
]
;W[mf]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: see
AmyLouLou [9k\]: l19 now
]
;B[lg]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: O_o
]
;W[ka]
;B[na]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: j19
]
;W[ia]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: so sick
fairgo1 [10k\]: whoa
zeb [8k\]: f18
AmyLouLou [9k\]: hahah
]
;B[fd]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
AmyLouLou [9k\]: h19 life
]
;W[ha]
;B[ee]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: wow i didn't see that
danteVAM [5k\]: important ko
TanGeng [1d?\]: too many local threats for black
AmyLouLou [9k\]: yes, big ko here
]
;W[dd]C[zeb [8k\]: what makes it big?
]
;B[df]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: d14
Marek [5d\]: life 
Jump [6k\]: that
zeb [8k\]: ok, now I agree that it is big
zeb [8k\]: but why was it big before?
TanGeng [1d?\]: big life
]
;W[fe]
;B[gj]C[zeb [8k\]: black was gonna die?
]
;W[gi]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: b still has o12 after this is over too, nice aji
TanGeng [1d?\]: hmmm
]
;B[ee]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: wait
danteVAM [5k\]: black isn't alive for now
zeb [8k\]: :O
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah
danteVAM [5k\]: but 
TanGeng [1d?\]:  but too many local threats
AmyLouLou [9k\]: g13 b not alive?
danteVAM [5k\]: hard to kill I think
]
;W[lk]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: k5 is a good ko threat
fairgo1 [10k\]: i think
]
;B[ll]
;W[fe]
;B[be]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: hehe
TanGeng [1d?\]: k4 instead fairgo
]
;W[bd]
;B[ee]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: 3 threats in one move
fairgo1 [10k\]: oh
fairgo1 [10k\]: my bad
TanGeng [1d?\]: don't give away points
]
;W[nn]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: but that isn't so big
]
;B[nm]
;W[fe]C[zeb [8k\]: whoa.... white's up by 80 points!
fairgo1 [10k\]: why did black respond to o6?
]
;B[nh]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: wow
]
;W[oh]
;B[ee]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: even better than I thought there
cavos [1k\]: O 6 followed by N7
danteVAM [5k\]: maybe he doesn't want die fairgo -__-
]
;W[mn]
;B[mm]
;W[fe]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: how would he die?
zeb [8k\]: like a man
fairgo1 [10k\]: -_-
danteVAM [5k\]: now he can't
USGO4 [-\]: both players in byo yomi now.
AmyLouLou [9k\]: w loses this he's done
]
;B[ie]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: b compromise
fairgo1 [10k\]: why'd black play j15?
]
;W[ee]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: life
]
;B[hf]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: =/
TanGeng [1d?\]: black only needs life
fairgo1 [10k\]: oh
]
;W[gg]
;B[hg]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: that whole black group gives little points
skill1 [5k\]: h1?
]
;W[jg]C[ManWithHat [3k\]: nice moyo:)
]
;B[ig]C[zeb [8k\]: isn't g1 betterer than h1?
]
;W[mq]C[kkly [2d\]: J1 is better
]
;B[mp]
;W[mr]
;B[np]C[zeb [8k\]: I meant.... white g1....
]
;W[sk]C[kkly [2d\]: b have to start ko at A4, 
kkly [2d\]: or lose
sotos [2k\]: p1 
fairgo1 [10k\]: whoa
]
;B[os]
;W[ap]C[danteVAM [5k\]: too late lol
]
;B[ho]
;W[hn]
;B[go]
;W[hl]
;B[ik]
;W[fo]
;B[fp]
;W[gn]
;B[gp]
;W[ir]
;B[hr]
;W[eo]
;B[ag]
;W[ae]
;B[jp]
;W[jo]
;B[pk]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]C[topfar [1d\]: W is leading
]
;W[of]C[Meepy [-\]: by like a point or two, maybe
]
;B[pe]
;W[ni]
;B[mh]C[lubricated [5k\]: w wants to end with l9?
]
;W[ph]C[Chievo [3k\]: this guy is 9k?
TanGeng [1d?\]: a2
]
;B[fb]
;W[da]C[lob: ?
AmyLouLou [9k\]: w wins by komi
TanGeng [1d?\]: l9
]
;B[ms]C[lubricated [5k\]: e7?
lob: l9 half a point...
]
;W[ls]
;B[is]C[lubricated [5k\]: l9 2 pts lol
zeb [8k\]: I think you're missing the point
]
;W[js]
;B[ns]
;W[hs]
;B[gs]C[lob: where do u see the 2nd point
lob: l9 itself doesn't make 2 points
lubricated [5k\]: 1 captured b stone = 1 point. l10 territory = 1 point
]
;W[qs]
;B[ps]C[topfar [1d\]: W ins
lubricated [5k\]: 1 + 1 = 2
avatar1 [3d\]: w+2
Botryoidal [-\]: a2 is big now
avatar1 [3d\]: 1*
Chievo [3k\]: L2 is only move
lob: l9 + k9 is 2 points
Chievo [3k\]: please play L2
]
;W[ar]
;B[sm]C[topfar [1d\]: W wins for sure
TanGeng [1d?\]: AGA rules?
]
;W[so]
;B[sl]
;W[rk]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: it sure plays a little different
]
;B[kk]C[Yanick [16k\]: wow, the board sure is full here
Yanick [16k\]: USGO1 has just ended, w resigned
]
;W[jq]
;B[aj]
;W[ak]C[Chievo [3k\]: ohh no
]
;B[ah]C[hakky [-\]: everlinde lambalari yaniyorrr
]
;W[af]C[Chievo [3k\]: K3 was winning move
lubricated [5k\]: you're not going to learn much here yanick, i suggest you go play games
TanGeng [1d?\]: USGO1?
TanGeng [1d?\]: who was playing?
lubricated [5k\]: mingjiu game
lubricated [5k\]: he lost
Yanick [16k\]: not here to learn, just to watch the game
]
;B[fl]
;W[fj]C[topfar [1d\]: W+3.5?
]
;B[is]C[AmyLouLou [9k\]: wow
]
;W[ai]
;B[hs]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: this game is close
Yanick [16k\]: Ming Jiu Jiang 7p = white & Kuo Yin 3p = black
]
;W[hm]
;B[aj]C[Yanick [16k\]: w resigned
]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]
;W[ai]C[lob: half point game
]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]C[hakky [-\]: Nomadic knights
]
;B[aj]C[mate105 [2d\]: i think Xue lost .5 point yesterday
]
;W[qc]C[JeansebL [2d?\]: 7.5 komi, white wins
fairgo1 [10k\]: is this a round robin tourney or knockout?
lubricated [5k\]: its 8 komi, but if jigo black wins so you can call it 7.5
]
;B[qd]C[kkly [2d\]: b 41, w 35
hakky [-\]: mygod
]
;W[ai]C[AndrewY [10k\]: 54B 56.5W  If I'm not mistaken. xD
]
;B[em]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: ?
]
;W[dn]C[hakky [-\]: a mere amateur winning against a full fletched pro
]
;B[aj]C[lubricated [5k\]: andrew, way off count there lol
]
;W[cs]C[asap [5k\]: happens all the time hakky
]
;B[ds]C[kkly [2d\]: w win for sure
]
;W[ai]
;B[sn]C[hakky [-\]: ASAP NO WAY
]
;W[sp]C[hakky [-\]: omg no way
]
;B[aj]C[AndrewY [10k\]: Of course Lubri. Its AGA rules.
Ciovo [5k?\]: w + 0.5 (if lose ko)
]
;W[re]C[asap [5k\]: yup
]
;B[qe]C[AndrewY [10k\]: I did it by kgs. ^.^
]
;W[ai]C[fairgo1 [10k\]: is this a roundrobin tourney or knockout?
]
;B[mj]
;W[mi]
;B[aj]C[hakky [-\]: I CANT BELIEve it
Rocker [4d\]: listen to hakky , he s the strongest kibitzer on kgs
Kenji54 [6k\]: xD
]
;W[ne]C[hakky [-\]: rocker is a bit stronger 
AmyLouLou [9k\]: b has 3 decent threats left against w
lubricated [5k\]: p18
]
;B[ai]C[lob: w+0.5
]
;W[ng]C[lubricated [5k\]: whatever
]
;B[jg]
;W[mg]
;B[cs]C[YangX [4d\]: wow
]
;W[dm]C[YangX [4d\]: another 1 point game
]
;B[do]
;W[dg]
;B[gc]
;W[no]
;B[mo]C[YangX [4d\]: 3 of lin xuefens games has been 1 point wins/losses
lubricated [5k\]: thats usually how pro games are yang =)
hakky [-\]: j16 
YangX [4d\]: in congress
]
;W[fk]C[YangX [4d\]: =D
Ho [5k\]: who won USGO, Mjung 7p or 3p?
YangX [4d\]: but 3?!?! in 2 days?
AmyLouLou [9k\]: why the extra plays?
Yanick [16k\]: 3p
]
;B[jk]C[lubricated [5k\]: 3p
Yanick [16k\]: 7p resigned
kmr [1k\]: W+1.5
Meepy [-\]: darn, black gets the last dame?
Ho [5k\]: mon die!
Confuse24 [3k\]: who won
Ho [5k\]: thx
JeansebL [2d?\]: j16
AmyLouLou [9k\]: j16?
lob: a1
]
;W[id]C[lob: doesn't matter
lubricated [5k\]: j16, a1
lubricated [5k\]: miai...
lubricated [5k\]: same points
USGO4 [-\]: Both players have passed. They are counting now.
AmyLouLou [9k\]: is SE right, w+1.5
goomikko [1k\]: a1
YangX [4d\]: a1 ?
AndrewY [10k\]: I got w+.5
lob: se is useless for this tournamnet
]
;B[as]C[bfbz [4d\]: w +0.5
PStillman [2k\]: well, black gets the last dame
Dominas25 [9k?\]: and any other time
PStillman [2k\]: but the komi is bigger
Chris929 [14k\]: w+0.5
Sotham [1d\]: counting in aga rule must be pretty long
AmyLouLou [9k\]: do they count stones like chinese scoring?
PStillman [2k\]: so SE is about right, white wins
lubricated [5k\]: yes, amy
Ciovo [5k?\]: how do the count in aga rules?
lob: 1,2,3
Meepy [-\]: white gives a pass stone, and you can count with territory
Rocker [4d\]: komi?
lubricated [5k\]: internet for lob
Ciovo [5k?\]: it's easy :)
AndrewY [10k\]: Ew....I don't care for the chinese scoring. I still haven't learned how to count that way.
kkly [2d\]: w 35, b 39+2
kkly [2d\]: w sin
kkly [2d\]: w win
lubricated [5k\]: andrew ch inese is the way igo was first played
Rocker [4d\]: whats the komi?
sljfie [16k\]: YA
Gay [4d\]: 8
captnapalm [1k\]: 7.5
lubricated [5k\]: it used to be that territory wasn't even a factor in scoring points =)
sljfie [16k\]: dont insult chinese countin
Rocker [4d\]: danke
AndrewY [10k\]: Yes, but I have not learned how to count with the chinese scoring system.
PStillman [2k\]: lubricated - go was also played with four corner hoshi in play
lubricated [5k\]: territory used to be just a way of securing life
PStillman [2k\]: do we have to do that? :)
zeb [8k\]: just count the pieces on the board... what's to learn?
apachai31k [-\]: how do u know?
lubricated [5k\]: of course not PS, i'm just giving him a little history lesson =)
Confuse24 [3k\]: no
USGO4 [-\]: White wins by 0.5 point..
AmyLouLou [9k\]: nice
fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
xedover [7k?\]: wow !! close game!
Ophelia [8k?\]: Thanks USGO4
PStillman [2k\]: sorry, I guess  Igot you slightly wrong
fairgo1 [10k\]: close game
lubricated [5k\]: w must feel ownage
AmyLouLou [9k\]: SE is actually right, haha
ajistorm [1d\]: yeah w+0.5
lubricated [5k\]: SE is right by the end of the game amy
ketchup [5k\]: ...
USGO4 [-\]: Thnks, KGS, thank you all for watching.
Botryoidal [-\]: Thank you USGO4
Chris929 [14k\]: great game - thank you very much USGO4 for broadcasting
PStillman [2k\]: yeah, SE follows the proverb
addxz: lol
USGO4 [-\]: You're welcome.
PStillman [2k\]: hindsight is always 20/20
sljfie [16k\]: thanks for bcast
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